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2019 Legion - STATE

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:06 pm

CLASS AA STATE TOURNEY
@ Grand Forks

Monday, July 22nd
Play-In: #9 Mandan def. #8 Dickinson 6-4

Friday, July 26th
G1: #2 Bismarck def. #7 Fargo Post 400 8-5
G2: #6 Williston def. #3 Minot 5-3
G3: #1 Fargo Post 2 def. #9 Mandan 10-5
G4: #5 Grand Forks def. #4 West Fargo 3-2

Saturday, July 27th
G5: #3 Minot def. #7 Fargo Post 400 6-2
G6: #9 Mandan def. #4 West Fargo 6-5
G7: #6 Williston def. #2 Bismarck 4-0
G8: #1 Fargo Post 2 def. #5 Grand Forks 9-4

Sunday, July 28th
G9: #2 Bismarck def. #9 Mandan 6-2
G10: #5 Grand Forks def. #3 Minot 16-8
G11: #1 Fargo Post 2 def. #6 Williston 8-2

Monday, July 29th
*G12: #1 Fargo Post 2 def. #2 Bismarck 7-4
*G13: #5 Grand Forks def. #6 Williston 11-0

Tuesday, July 30th
**G14: #1 Fargo Post 2 def. #5 Grand Forks 7-0

* - Pairings for G12 & G13 will not match previous opponents unless absolutely necessary
** - If Three Teams Remain: Winner of G11 gets bye past G14 into G15
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Re: 2019 Legion - STATE

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:06 pm

CLASS A STATE TOURNEY
@ Bismarck

Wednesday, July 31st
G1: W1 Dickinson def. E4 Fargo Astros 1-0
G2: E2 Kindred def. W3 Bismarck Reps 10-0
G3: E1 Fargo Jets def. W4 Mandan 7-4
G4: W2 Bismarck Capitals def. E3 Grand Forks 6-3

Thursday, August 1st
G5: W3 Bismarck Reps def. E4 Fargo Astros 7-3
G6: W4 Mandan def. E3 Grand Forks 8-4
G7: E2 Kindred def. W1 Dickinson 6-1
G8: E1 Fargo Jets def. W2 Bismarck Capitals 4-3

Friday, August 2nd
G9: W1 Dickinson def. W4 Mandan 8-4
G10: W3 Bismarck Reps def. W2 Bismarck Capitals 7-6
G11: E1 Fargo Jets def. E2 Kindred 5-2

Saturday, August 3rd
*G12: E2 Kindred def. W1 Dickinson 4-1
*G13: E1 Fargo Jets def. W3 Bismarck Reps 6-3

Sunday, August 4th
**G14: E2 Kindred def. E1 Fargo Jets 4-3
**G15: E2 Kindred def. E1 Fargo Jets 3-2

* - Pairings for G12 & G13 will not match previous opponents unless absolutely necessary
** - If Three Teams Remain: Winner of G11 gets bye past G14 into G15
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Re: 2019 Legion - STATE

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:06 pm

CLASS B STATE TOURNEY
@ Hazen

Wednesday, July 31st
G1: D7 Fargo Bombers def. D1 Hettinger 6-5
G2: D6 May-Port def. D2 Burlington 13-3
G3: D5 Thompson def. D3 Surrey 4-1
G4: D4 Carrington def. Hazen 12-2

Thursday, August 1st
G5: D1 Hettinger def. D2 Burlington 10-0
G6: Hazen def. D3 Surrey 2-0

Friday, August 2nd
G7: D6 May-Port def. D7 Fargo Bombers 2-1
G8: D5 Thompson def. D4 Carrington 6-0
G9: D4 Carrington def. D1 Hettinger 9-5 (9)

Saturday, August 3rd
G10: D7 Fargo Bombers def. Hazen 10-0
G11: D5 Thompson def. D6 May-Port 1-0 (9)
*G12: D4 Carrington def. D6 May-Port 4-3
*G13: D5 Thompson def. D7 Fargo Bombers 3-2

Sunday, August 4th
**G14: D5 Thompson def. D4 Carrington 15-5

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Re: 2019 Legion - STATE

Postby BelfieldBantams » Sat Aug 03, 2019 1:34 pm

I don't understand the rationale of who plays in G12 and G13. In my opinion G12 should be the winners of G9 and G10. Then G13 should be the loser of G11 and the winner of G12. The winner of G11 should automatically go to G14. I don't understand why if you win your first 3 games that you have to play that extra game.
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Re: 2019 Legion - STATE

Postby Flip » Sat Aug 03, 2019 2:28 pm

BelfieldBantams wrote:I don't understand the rationale of who plays in G12 and G13. In my opinion G12 should be the winners of G9 and G10. Then G13 should be the loser of G11 and the winner of G12. The winner of G11 should automatically go to G14. I don't understand why if you win your first 3 games that you have to play that extra game.

I'm not sure how they came up with this bracket, but legion baseball has been doing this for at least 20 years. It is not a true double elimination tournament. I've never liked it.
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Re: 2019 Legion - STATE

Postby NodakQ2 » Sat Aug 03, 2019 6:00 pm

It’s the same as the Legion World Series bracket. Been that way for years. The rationale is that no one gets a day off in this format, where in true double elim the 3 win team gets a day off. One thing this format does is not give anyone a pitching advantage by having an off day. Once you understand the bracket, it really isn’t that bad nor complex. As far as who plays the second to last day, the deck gets reshuffled for the final four and you basically try to match the teams that haven’t played each other yet in the tournament. This year it worked out perfectly as Thompson had already played Carrington and Mayville, so their opponent is Fargo. Thompson is still in the “ship” win or lose today. Just a matter of whether they have to get beat twice or once tomorrow. I don’t mind the format at all. One could say it is actually more “fair” than true double elim.
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Re: 2019 Legion - STATE

Postby NodakQ2 » Sat Aug 03, 2019 7:59 pm

Interesting side story to tomorrow’s championship. Carrington won the Legion “B” in ‘14, ‘15, and ‘16. Thompson has won in ‘17 and ‘18. Carrington has played in the championship game 5 of the last 6 years. Carrington is nearing the end of their “dynasty”, Thompson may only be just beginning theirs. Two great programs on display in Hazen tomorrow.
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Re: 2019 Legion - STATE

Postby Flip » Sat Aug 03, 2019 8:51 pm

My opinion, but if you're 3-0 the rest of you games should be for the championship. If you have a loss you shouldn't be forced to play an undefeated team, unless it's for the championship.


NodakQ2 wrote:It’s the same as the College World Series bracket.

CWS is two four team double elimination brackets. The winner of each bracket advances to the best of 3 championship.
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Re: 2019 Legion - STATE

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Sat Aug 03, 2019 10:06 pm

Flip wrote:My opinion, but if you're 3-0 the rest of you games should be for the championship. If you have a loss you shouldn't be forced to play an undefeated team, unless it's for the championship.


NodakQ2 wrote:It’s the same as the College World Series bracket.

CWS is two four team double elimination brackets. The winner of each bracket advances to the best of 3 championship.


I think he meant the Legion World Series...not the CWS; with the pitch count limits this set up doesn't make teams play two games in one day as well with the exception being for rain outs
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Re: 2019 Legion - STATE

Postby NodakQ2 » Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:41 am

Run4Fun2009 wrote:
Flip wrote:My opinion, but if you're 3-0 the rest of you games should be for the championship. If you have a loss you shouldn't be forced to play an undefeated team, unless it's for the championship.


NodakQ2 wrote:It’s the same as the College World Series bracket.

CWS is two four team double elimination brackets. The winner of each bracket advances to the best of 3 championship.


I think he meant the Legion World Series...not the CWS; with the pitch count limits this set up doesn't make teams play two games in one day as well with the exception being for rain outs


Correct Legion World Series. (Corrected/edited) Sorry for the confusion. I don’t mind the team with a loss playing the undefeated team if those two teams haven’t played yet in the tournament. Where this format “gets messy” is when you have to play the same team twice prior to the championship.
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Re: 2019 Legion - STATE

Postby Flip » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:59 am

NodakQ2 wrote:Correct Legion World Series. (Corrected/edited) Sorry for the confusion. I don’t mind the team with a loss playing the undefeated team if those two teams haven’t played yet in the tournament. Where this format “gets messy” is when you have to play the same team twice prior to the championship.

Looks like that happened in Class A this year.

The format might be fine. I admit I haven't been part of legion baseball in a long time and when I was we didn't have pitch limits.
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Re: 2019 Legion - STATE

Postby scc » Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:45 pm

As an advocate for single-elimination tournaments, I like how Legion baseball does their double-elimination tournament. No days off; No shortcuts.
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Re: 2019 Legion - STATE

Postby BelfieldBantams » Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:05 pm

The day off doesn’t have to happen. Why doesn’t winner of 9 and 10 play before or after game 11. Then you don’t have this extra game for the winner of 11, which still doesn’t make sense to me.
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Re: 2019 Legion - STATE

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:48 pm

BelfieldBantams wrote:The day off doesn’t have to happen. Why doesn’t winner of 9 and 10 play before or after game 11. Then you don’t have this extra game for the winner of 11, which still doesn’t make sense to me.


They also try to avoid the 2 games in one day as much as possible.

There are two ways of doing a double elimination tournament and this is the one the legion has chosen to use nationwide.
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Re: 2019 Legion - STATE

Postby Flip » Mon Aug 12, 2019 5:26 pm

Run4Fun2009 wrote:There are two ways of doing a double elimination tournament and this is the one the legion has chosen to use nationwide.

Legion World Series is not like this this year. As you know.
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Re: 2019 Legion - STATE

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Mon Aug 12, 2019 5:28 pm

Flip wrote:
Run4Fun2009 wrote:There are two ways of doing a double elimination tournament and this is the one the legion has chosen to use nationwide.

Legion World Series is not like this this year.


Nope it is not...they went to pool play this year. I'm wondering if it's because of the school year starting earlier this year for many states and to avoid conflict. Looks to be a day or two shorter than past years.
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