bingobangobongo wrote:Nice work, Bisonguy06.
Strasburg/Zeeland has an adjusted enrollment of 17 boys. I wonder if they will keep on in 9-man, or join up with Linton/HMB or maybe Ashley/Wishek. Co-op with Linton/HMB would make them a Class A.
Also, it makes me wonder what the heck is going on with Midway/Minto with their 45 boys and why they can't field a 9-man team. Same with Larimore/Emerado with 71 boys and why they can't field an 11 man team.
bingobangobongo wrote:Nice work, Bisonguy06.
Strasburg/Zeeland has an adjusted enrollment of 17 boys. I wonder if they will keep on in 9-man, or join up with Linton/HMB or maybe Ashley/Wishek. Co-op with Linton/HMB would make them a Class A.
Also, it makes me wonder what the heck is going on with Midway/Minto with their 45 boys and why they can't field a 9-man team. Same with Larimore/Emerado with 71 boys and why they can't field an 11 man team.
heimer wrote:First of all, to class B, no offense, but I doubt you've seen a class 3A game in a long long time. Tell me what schools at double-a you think should move up? You're already getting Jamestown and Shanley, Bismarck St Mary's is the only other logical choice. You think Devils Lake can play up there, Turtle Mountain, Valley City, Central Cass, none of those teams can play up there. I've never understood the willingness to simply add teams to a class to make yourself feel good, and that's exactly what you're doing. How about classes with teams that can actually compete with one another, instead of sacrificial Lambs every single freaking year?
Fargo, Bismarck, and Minot football, along with West Fargo, should be their own League. There doesn't need to be anybody else in that League, no matter what the enrollment shows. They have proven to be A Cut Above, and they should be their own class. Go from there. Five classes is the answer not three. You must be from a Class B school that thinks that 1968 basketball is the best thing you ever saw.
Speaking of 1968 basketball being the best thing anyone ever saw, that's where bizon guy comes into this conversation. Typical. Same thing over and over again. No new classes no new competition level. Just do it the way we've always done, that makes the most sense. Yeah right. Your shameless endorsing of six-man football, which is a complete and utter joke, by the way, is ridiculous, and is not football. Maybe, when your school gets too small, we can play 3 on 3 basketball, and take it out past the half line, just so that your school can keep its identity, and put that on television. Boy that will sell.
I actually talk to three a coaches. They see this coming, and they know that it's going to be a major adjustment. I agree with bizon guy on one thing, the sky isn't falling, and I might embellish my remarks at the start of this thread just for a little bit of effect. But it's only two years away, and when's the last time the ndhsaa made a good decision with only two years notice?
Sniper wrote:IMO some schools are just in an awkward position with enrollment where they are significantly bigger than the "class b" schools but also do not have the numbers to compete with the Bismarck and Fargo schools each year. Jamestown is a perfect example of this. I would not agree with creating a whole new class just to help out a few schools. I would not be against a five class system but I would rather see them split up the 9-man or "A" division rather than create an 8 team class consisting of the smallest AAA and biggest AA schools. What I would really like to see is a rule in place where schools without borders must play one class above where their enrollment places them.
Also each time they redo the alignments some schools are going to get the short end of the stick. When Jamestown is moved up to AAA they get the short end of the stick, but on the other side of that when they get to play AA they need to take advantage of being the "big dog", which I have not really seen them do the past two years.
Sniper wrote:Also each time they redo the alignments some schools are going to get the short end of the stick. When Jamestown is moved up to AAA they get the short end of the stick, but on the other side of that when they get to play AA they need to take advantage of being the "big dog", which I have not really see them do the past two years.
heimer wrote:First of all, to class B, no offense, but I doubt you've seen a class 3A game in a long long time. Tell me what schools at double-a you think should move up? You're already getting Jamestown and Shanley, Bismarck St Mary's is the only other logical choice. You think Devils Lake can play up there, Turtle Mountain, Valley City, Central Cass, none of those teams can play up there. I've never understood the willingness to simply add teams to a class to make yourself feel good, and that's exactly what you're doing. How about classes with teams that can actually compete with one another, instead of sacrificial Lambs every single freaking year?
Fargo, Bismarck, and Minot football, along with West Fargo, should be their own League. There doesn't need to be anybody else in that League, no matter what the enrollment shows. They have proven to be A Cut Above, and they should be their own class. Go from there. Five classes is the answer not three. You must be from a Class B school that thinks that 1968 basketball is the best thing you ever saw.
Speaking of 1968 basketball being the best thing anyone ever saw, that's where bizon guy comes into this conversation. Typical. Same thing over and over again. No new classes no new competition level. Just do it the way we've always done, that makes the most sense. Yeah right. Your shameless endorsing of six-man football, which is a complete and utter joke, by the way, is ridiculous, and is not football. Maybe, when your school gets too small, we can play 3 on 3 basketball, and take it out past the half line, just so that your school can keep its identity, and put that on television. Boy that will sell.
I actually talk to three a coaches. They see this coming, and they know that it's going to be a major adjustment. I agree with bizon guy on one thing, the sky isn't falling, and I might embellish my remarks at the start of this thread just for a little bit of effect. But it's only two years away, and when's the last time the ndhsaa made a good decision with only two years notice?
Class B wrote:heimer wrote:First of all, to class B, no offense, but I doubt you've seen a class 3A game in a long long time. Tell me what schools at double-a you think should move up? You're already getting Jamestown and Shanley, Bismarck St Mary's is the only other logical choice. You think Devils Lake can play up there, Turtle Mountain, Valley City, Central Cass, none of those teams can play up there. I've never understood the willingness to simply add teams to a class to make yourself feel good, and that's exactly what you're doing. How about classes with teams that can actually compete with one another, instead of sacrificial Lambs every single freaking year?
Fargo, Bismarck, and Minot football, along with West Fargo, should be their own League. There doesn't need to be anybody else in that League, no matter what the enrollment shows. They have proven to be A Cut Above, and they should be their own class. Go from there. Five classes is the answer not three. You must be from a Class B school that thinks that 1968 basketball is the best thing you ever saw.
Speaking of 1968 basketball being the best thing anyone ever saw, that's where bizon guy comes into this conversation. Typical. Same thing over and over again. No new classes no new competition level. Just do it the way we've always done, that makes the most sense. Yeah right. Your shameless endorsing of six-man football, which is a complete and utter joke, by the way, is ridiculous, and is not football. Maybe, when your school gets too small, we can play 3 on 3 basketball, and take it out past the half line, just so that your school can keep its identity, and put that on television. Boy that will sell.
I actually talk to three a coaches. They see this coming, and they know that it's going to be a major adjustment. I agree with bizon guy on one thing, the sky isn't falling, and I might embellish my remarks at the start of this thread just for a little bit of effect. But it's only two years away, and when's the last time the ndhsaa made a good decision with only two years notice?
I am very familiar with football at all levels. But if you want to create a class for all levels of competition and demographics, why stop at 4-5 classes? Surely there should be a special class for private schools, oil schools, schools with 4 day weeks, schools in counties starting with "Mc", etc.
Interesting note about 1968 basketball. In 1963 there were 300+ teams playing basketball in North Dakota. If you know your history, there were 3 classes at the time. The consensus in 1963 was that there was no need for 3 classes for that amount of teams and they adopted the 2 class system as we currently know it. There have been multiple attempts to go back to 3 classes but it has not gained support to date. Today we are sitting at 128 BBB teams in North Dakota with two classes, but there continues to be a push for 3, and with less than 40% support.
How did we get to a world where 3 classes was too much for 300 teams but 2 classes is too few for 128 teams?
Wildcat wrote:Sniper wrote:Also each time they redo the alignments some schools are going to get the short end of the stick. When Jamestown is moved up to AAA they get the short end of the stick, but on the other side of that when they get to play AA they need to take advantage of being the "big dog", which I have not really see them do the past two years.
This is mainly right about either being the little fish or the big dog. I'd ask though, what constitutes taking advantage of being in AA? They're 13-7 with two trips to the playoffs.
If they were to go to the state title game twice, it would be said that they don't belong in AA, and they're too big and dominant. They're in the semis this year after being upset last year in the quarters.
I would argue the evidence points to Jamestown, competitively, being right where they should be. Look at the enrollments of Williston, Dickinson and Mandan as well as those cities' populations...Jamestown isn't the same size as they are anymore. It's tough for many people to see that.
Sniper wrote:6/10 teams in AA make the playoffs in the current format so that is not overly impressive. I think making the championship game would have been taking advantage of it (could still this year). But the upset last year was rough considering it was probably their best bet at winning a playoff game in recent memory.
Flip wrote:Interesting and slightly shocking note: things are slightly different than they were in 1968.
Flip wrote:Sniper wrote:6/10 teams in AA make the playoffs in the current format so that is not overly impressive. I think making the championship game would have been taking advantage of it (could still this year). But the upset last year was rough considering it was probably their best bet at winning a playoff game in recent memory.
Someone posted that it was the first time Jamestown had the playoffs since the early 90s.
Sniper wrote:Since 2000 they have made the playoffs in: 2013, 2007, 2003, 2000. Also lost play-in games in 2005, 2006, 2008.
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