North Dakota Preps

WalkingStick wrote:

maddog1971 wrote:Basically only one more test for the top 4 for the rest of the regular season and that is Kindred and Lisbon this weekend. The Viking should come out on top but it will be a close game. Kindred wants to run the ball and Lisbon sticks 8 in the box to stop the run.
So lets say Kindred wins this one.... how will the play offs break down with 1. Velva 2. Kindred 3. DT 4 Langdon

Does that mean that it will be Velva vs. Langdon and Kindred Vs DT??

It's based off of the QRF: https://www.northdakota-scores.net/boys ... 2024/17830

But they haven't begun to use the seeding for Class A...this is the only thing this site does

ChickenNuggets wrote:

WalkingStick wrote:

maddog1971 wrote:Basically only one more test for the top 4 for the rest of the regular season and that is Kindred and Lisbon this weekend. The Viking should come out on top but it will be a close game. Kindred wants to run the ball and Lisbon sticks 8 in the box to stop the run.
So lets say Kindred wins this one.... how will the play offs break down with 1. Velva 2. Kindred 3. DT 4 Langdon

Does that mean that it will be Velva vs. Langdon and Kindred Vs DT??

It's based off of the QRF: https://www.northdakota-scores.net/boys ... 2024/17830

But they haven't begun to use the seeding for Class A...this is the only thing this site does

11B doesn't use QRF for playoffs at all. A coaches vote (Coaches of the 4 region champions) determines the 1-4 seeds. Playoffs prior to the semi-finals are separated East and West.

If playoffs started today-
Round 1-
Region 2 #4 (Cavalier) @ Region 1 #1 (Kindred)
Region 1 #3 (Lisbon) @ Region 2 #2 (Carrington)
Winners Play each other at highest seed

Region 2 #3 (Harvey/WC) @ Region 1 #2 (Central Cass)
Region 1 #4 (Oakes) @ Region 1 #1 (Langdon)
Winners play at highest seed

Region 3 #4 (Stanley) @ Region 4 #1 (Trinity)
Region 4 #3 (Killdeer) @ Region 3 #2 (Des Lacs/Burlington)
Winners play at highest seed

Region 4 #4 (Beulah or Bowman County) @ Region 3 #1 (Velva)
Region 3 #3 (Bishop Ryan) @ Region 4 #2 (Shiloh Christian)
Winners play at highest seed.

After the first round and quarterfinals, the semi-finals would be determined by the seed of the Region Champs (#4 @ #1 seed and #3 @ #2 seed)

ChickenNuggets wrote:11B doesn't use QRF for playoffs at all.

maddog1971 wrote:WOW I don't understand the QFR but Nope... I dont' like it at all... DT as number one? Really? How is that even possible?

ChickenNuggets wrote:This is the 10-2-23 QRF ranking

Rank Team / Record QRF
1 Dickinson Trinity (6-0) 82.4
2 Kindred (6-0) 76.8
3 Langdon Area/Munich (7-0) 71.4
4 Shiloh Christian (6-1) 68.5
5 Velva (7-0) 64.7
6 Central Cass (5-1) 60.4
7 Carrington (5-2) 57.2
8 Lisbon (4-2) 54.8
9 Killdeer/Halliday (5-2) 53.0
10 Bowman County (4-2) 50.7
11 Harvey-Wells County (5-2) 50.3
12 Oakes (4-2) 47.6
13 Bishop Ryan (4-3) 42.2
14 Ellendale/Edgeley/Kulm (5-2) 42.1
15 Beulah (4-3) 42.0
16 Cavalier (4-3) 40.4
17 Des Lacs-Burlington (3-3) 38.9
18 Thompson (4-3) 34.8
19 Stanley (3-4) 34.2
20 Bottineau (2-5) 32.2
21 Nedrose (2-4) 30.1
22 Ray/Powers Lake (3-4) 29.1
23 Heart River (2-4) 27.4
24 Southern McLean (3-4) 27.3
25 Grafton (2-5) 27.2
26 Hillsboro/Central Valley (2-5) 24.7
27 May-Port-C-G (2-4) 23.4
28 South Prairie (1-6) 19.2
29 Rugby (1-6) 16.4
30 Hazen (0-7) 10.4
31 Northern Cass (0-7) 9.7
32 Kenmare/Bowbells/BC (0-7) 9.3
33 Park River/Fordville-Lankin (0-6) 9.2

bk1990 wrote:Had the chance to watch Velva/Drake/Anamoose/Garrison recently. They are a solid team with a lot of good athletes. My question is, how does the success factor work? If they would win state again this year, that would be two years in a row, both years undefeated, I think they went undefeated last year. Similar to what happened to St. Mary's a few years back, due to success factor they were move up and are now playing in AAA with an enrollment of about 345, according to the Hoopster. Using all the school Velva coops with for football, their enrollment is at about 315. This is more than KIndred, Central Cass, Grafton, Thompson. all larger schools. Also, is there no limits to who can co-op with who? The players from Garrison have to drive 50 miles to practice in Velva. Other schools with football such as Washburn, South Prairie, Underwood are all closer. People talk about the privates recruiting, how about selective co-ops? When you see Velva with 50 kids on the sideline and 40 in junior high football, how is a Kenmare or Powers Lake supposed to compete? Is the answer to find schools 50 miles away just to co-op? Back to my original question, the Velva co-op with 315 students, why can't the be bumped up to play schools with 600-900 students if St. Mary's with 345 is bumped up to play schools with 1200-1600 students? Does this only happen when it is a private school?

bk1990 wrote:Had the chance to watch Velva/Drake/Anamoose/Garrison recently. They are a solid team with a lot of good athletes. My question is, how does the success factor work? If they would win state again this year, that would be two years in a row, both years undefeated, I think they went undefeated last year. Similar to what happened to St. Mary's a few years back, due to success factor they were move up and are now playing in AAA with an enrollment of about 345, according to the Hoopster. Using all the school Velva coops with for football, their enrollment is at about 315. This is more than KIndred, Central Cass, Grafton, Thompson. all larger schools. Also, is there no limits to who can co-op with who? The players from Garrison have to drive 50 miles to practice in Velva. Other schools with football such as Washburn, South Prairie, Underwood are all closer. People talk about the privates recruiting, how about selective co-ops? When you see Velva with 50 kids on the sideline and 40 in junior high football, how is a Kenmare or Powers Lake supposed to compete? Is the answer to find schools 50 miles away just to co-op? Back to my original question, the Velva co-op with 315 students, why can't the be bumped up to play schools with 600-900 students if St. Mary's with 345 is bumped up to play schools with 1200-1600 students? Does this only happen when it is a private school?

bk1990 wrote:Had the chance to watch Velva/Drake/Anamoose/Garrison recently. They are a solid team with a lot of good athletes. My question is, how does the success factor work? If they would win state again this year, that would be two years in a row, both years undefeated, I think they went undefeated last year. Similar to what happened to St. Mary's a few years back, due to success factor they were move up and are now playing in AAA with an enrollment of about 345, according to the Hoopster. Using all the school Velva coops with for football, their enrollment is at about 315. This is more than KIndred, Central Cass, Grafton, Thompson. all larger schools. Also, is there no limits to who can co-op with who? The players from Garrison have to drive 50 miles to practice in Velva. Other schools with football such as Washburn, South Prairie, Underwood are all closer. People talk about the privates recruiting, how about selective co-ops? When you see Velva with 50 kids on the sideline and 40 in junior high football, how is a Kenmare or Powers Lake supposed to compete? Is the answer to find schools 50 miles away just to co-op? Back to my original question, the Velva co-op with 315 students, why can't the be bumped up to play schools with 600-900 students if St. Mary's with 345 is bumped up to play schools with 1200-1600 students? Does this only happen when it is a private school?

maddog1971 wrote:I was going through Surrey this weekend and it is basically part of Minot now. 10 Minutes outside... Why are people not claiming and yelling it is not fair since they are basically connected to Minot?
And Coop's are basically how small town schools can put together schools and teams. Kindred is basically just a big Coop of small towns with the school being located in Kindred.
I believe more of these small towns need to build a big school centrally located like Northern Cass did. I don't know why so many small towns keep funding dead schools. 4 kids per class? Not worth the money to keep that school open.

Class B wrote:

maddog1971 wrote:I was going through Surrey this weekend and it is basically part of Minot now. 10 Minutes outside... Why are people not claiming and yelling it is not fair since they are basically connected to Minot?
And Coop's are basically how small town schools can put together schools and teams. Kindred is basically just a big Coop of small towns with the school being located in Kindred.
I believe more of these small towns need to build a big school centrally located like Northern Cass did. I don't know why so many small towns keep funding dead schools. 4 kids per class? Not worth the money to keep that school open.

The short answer... Winning (though Surrey has had some success in football of late). Notice how evil the private schools are in basketball because they win. In football, BR and OR coop to form some sort of a "Super Private", but they aren't a Top 5 team and that narrative sort of flies under the radar. Come playoff time, you're going to hear a lot of Kindred and CC just being "an extension of the Fargo school district".

Winning magnifies everything, including scrutiny.

bison football73 wrote:

Class B wrote:

maddog1971 wrote:I was going through Surrey this weekend and it is basically part of Minot now. 10 Minutes outside... Why are people not claiming and yelling it is not fair since they are basically connected to Minot?
And Coop's are basically how small town schools can put together schools and teams. Kindred is basically just a big Coop of small towns with the school being located in Kindred.
I believe more of these small towns need to build a big school centrally located like Northern Cass did. I don't know why so many small towns keep funding dead schools. 4 kids per class? Not worth the money to keep that school open.

The short answer... Winning (though Surrey has had some success in football of late). Notice how evil the private schools are in basketball because they win. In football, BR and OR coop to form some sort of a "Super Private", but they aren't a Top 5 team and that narrative sort of flies under the radar. Come playoff time, you're going to hear a lot of Kindred and CC just being "an extension of the Fargo school district".

Winning magnifies everything, including scrutiny.

This argument about Surrey is being made in circles around Minot albeit not as loudly as the CC and Kindred arguments.

bingobangobongo wrote:

bison football73 wrote:

Class B wrote:

maddog1971 wrote:I was going through Surrey this weekend and it is basically part of Minot now. 10 Minutes outside... Why are people not claiming and yelling it is not fair since they are basically connected to Minot?
And Coop's are basically how small town schools can put together schools and teams. Kindred is basically just a big Coop of small towns with the school being located in Kindred.
I believe more of these small towns need to build a big school centrally located like Northern Cass did. I don't know why so many small towns keep funding dead schools. 4 kids per class? Not worth the money to keep that school open.

The short answer... Winning (though Surrey has had some success in football of late). Notice how evil the private schools are in basketball because they win. In football, BR and OR coop to form some sort of a "Super Private", but they aren't a Top 5 team and that narrative sort of flies under the radar. Come playoff time, you're going to hear a lot of Kindred and CC just being "an extension of the Fargo school district".

Winning magnifies everything, including scrutiny.

This argument about Surrey is being made in circles around Minot albeit not as loudly as the CC and Kindred arguments.

Surrey, South Prairie (the school has a Minot address), Nedrose (which is in Minot), DL/B (with Burlington having no real geographical separation with Minot) should all be getting run through the muck just like Kindred and CC. But like Class B said, they haven't been quite as successful in their sports as CC and Kindred over the last few years so they get a pass for now.

Being in Imperial Cass doesn't help out CC and Kindred -- that alone is enough to make some people in other parts of the states not like them very much.

Class B wrote: In football, BR and OR coop to form some sort of a "Super Private", but they aren't a Top 5 team and that narrative sort of flies under the radar.