11-B Seeding

[heimer]

is garbage.

Like garbage burning in a dumpster fire rolling down a flooded street with cats stalled out.

[Flying Wallenda]

is garbage.

Like garbage burning in a dumpster fire rolling down a flooded street with cats stalled out.

Should have seeded out to 8 -

[WalkingStick]

is garbage.

Like garbage burning in a dumpster fire rolling down a flooded street with cats stalled out.

Should have seeded out to 8 -

Could have done them all and guaranteed no region matchups in first round

Also never seen cats stalled out in anything flooded

[5-time state chump]

Not sure how to fix it ...

The best idea .. yes... Seed the east, seed the west ...#1 in east plays #4 in west ...etc.

This way ....if #1s are best teams .... OR
if the #1 and #2 in west or the #1 and #2 in the east are the best teams they will/should meet in finals ...

Of course you want the top 2 in finals....and I think we have it, even with the seeding that they did use.

[heimer]

We're talking 11-B.

Seed the top 8 1-8, no guarantees that any regional champs get a top four seeds. The coaches knew the west was overrated. I was told as much.

[BelfieldBantams]

I still think it's possible if that it was East vs. West that the East might have won all 8. More likely 6, but could have swept.

[WalkingStick]

My thoughts would be (I also guaranteed no region matchups in the opening round)

#16 Nedrose @ #1 Hillsboro-Central Valley
#9 Des Lacs-Burlington @ #8 Harvey-Wells County

#13 Thompson @ #4 Central Cass
#12 Oakes @ #5 Bowman County

#15 Hazen @ #2 Kindred
#10 Velva/Garrison @ #7 Beulah

#14 Lisbon @ #3 Langdon/Edmore/Munich
#11 Shiloh Christian @ #6 Bishop Ryan/ORCS

[Bisonguy06]

To the tune of Seinfeld's "Hello, Newman..."
Hello, Heimer...
We meet again.
Long time no see.

I'm one guy out west, and Schwab is another, who knew that the power in division 11B is out east. But we aren't coaches. I think it's roughly 50/50 as to whether the coaches see it clearly or are blinded by their geographical goggles.

The east has held the power for several years running in the smallest 11 man division. I would expect the trend to continue. Enrollment is a factor. Half the state lives in the greater Red River valley, including the largest schools/co-ops in division 11B. Football is a numbers game more than any other sport, and iron sharpens iron.

*Note that I didn't say the current 11B is unfair.* I’d tinker a bit, but mostly leave it intact.

It was a good year for the east in football. Bismarck Century's win streak came to an end, and the 11AA champ will come from the east. The 9 man champ will come from the east as well.

The East dominates class B volleyball.
The west dominates class A wrestling.

It's always interesting to see who can size up the field accurately in any given sport.

[heimer]

There is no reason to guarantee any regional champ a top four seed. That strategy is a 1978 strategy that coaches cling to so their region has some meaning.

Seed the top eight, or 12, or 16, and who cares who goes where? Let's have the right matchups in the right rounds.

[bison football73]

My thoughts would be (I also guaranteed no region matchups in the opening round)

#16 Nedrose @ #1 Hillsboro-Central Valley
#9 Des Lacs-Burlington @ #8 Harvey-Wells County

#13 Thompson @ #4 Central Cass
#12 Oakes @ #5 Bowman County

#15 Hazen @ #2 Kindred
#10 Velva/Garrison @ #7 Beulah

#14 Lisbon @ #3 Langdon/Edmore/Munich
#11 Shiloh Christian @ #6 Bishop Ryan/ORCS

Do this in 9-man too.

[WalkingStick]

My thoughts would be (I also guaranteed no region matchups in the opening round)

#16 Nedrose @ #1 Hillsboro-Central Valley
#9 Des Lacs-Burlington @ #8 Harvey-Wells County

#13 Thompson @ #4 Central Cass
#12 Oakes @ #5 Bowman County

#15 Hazen @ #2 Kindred
#10 Velva/Garrison @ #7 Beulah

#14 Lisbon @ #3 Langdon/Edmore/Munich
#11 Shiloh Christian @ #6 Bishop Ryan/ORCS

Do this in 9-man too.

Just a very quick thought

(#17 Grant County-Flasher @ #16 New Rockford-Sheyenne) @ #1 LaMoure-LM
(#24 Kenmare/Bowbells/Burke Central @ #9 South Border) @ #8 May-Port-CG

(#20 Enderlin/Maple Valley @ #13 Hettinger-Scranton) @ #4 Bottineau
(#21 Lewis & Clark @ #12 St. John) @ #5 Nelson County

(#19 North Prairie @ #14 Finley-Sharon-Hope-Page) @ #3 New Salem-Almont
(#22 Mohall-Lansford-Sherwood @ #11 Wyndmere-Lidgerwood) @ #6 Divide County

(#18 Napoleon/Gackle-Streeter @ #15 Mott-Regent/New England) @ #2 Cavalier
(#23 Four Winds @ #10 Ray/Powers Lake) @ #7 Surrey

[Bisonguy06]

My thoughts would be (I also guaranteed no region matchups in the opening round)

#16 Nedrose @ #1 Hillsboro-Central Valley
#9 Des Lacs-Burlington @ #8 Harvey-Wells County

#13 Thompson @ #4 Central Cass
#12 Oakes @ #5 Bowman County

#15 Hazen @ #2 Kindred
#10 Velva/Garrison @ #7 Beulah

#14 Lisbon @ #3 Langdon/Edmore/Munich
#11 Shiloh Christian @ #6 Bishop Ryan/ORCS

The NDHSAA does what it does (no east/west crossover until the semifinals) to try and reduce travel and school time missed while improving attendance during the round of 16 and the round of 8.

In the alternative above, Nedrose and Hazen would've possibly hit the road Friday for a Saturday game and would likely get blown out, with very few casual fans making that trip. Oakes would make a long trip to Bowman for (I think) a competitive game.

I'm fine if you prefer the alternative. There are trade-offs. It's not a slam dunk.

[WalkingStick]

Nothing is a slam dunk...it's just another option that is out there.

This option opens the door for some fun matchups...mileage could be considered as well when seeding (nothing over 150 miles or something like that)

Hazen & Kindred used to have to do this on a Friday in AA Football and there were no concerns there.

[ndfbfan70]

My thoughts would be (I also guaranteed no region matchups in the opening round)

#16 Nedrose @ #1 Hillsboro-Central Valley
#9 Des Lacs-Burlington @ #8 Harvey-Wells County

#13 Thompson @ #4 Central Cass
#12 Oakes @ #5 Bowman County

#15 Hazen @ #2 Kindred
#10 Velva/Garrison @ #7 Beulah

#14 Lisbon @ #3 Langdon/Edmore/Munich
#11 Shiloh Christian @ #6 Bishop Ryan/ORCS

I really really like this, although I think it is a pipe dream because of cost of travel.

[The Schwab]

The cost of travel argument is nonsense as half of these teams travel all over the state playing basketball games. Seed the 16 playoff teams.

[packers21]

The cost of travel argument is nonsense as half of these teams travel all over the state playing basketball games. Seed the 16 playoff teams.

Could not agree more, that excuse has always made me laugh.

[Sportsrube]

The cost of travel argument is nonsense as half of these teams travel all over the state playing basketball games. Seed the 16 playoff teams.

100% spot on! These schools have no problem traveling, staying in hotels, giving meal money, etc.... for basketball in order to find top competition so why should they complain in football. South Border made the trip to Beach or Bowman a couple of years ago for a Region game, no complaints, just get on the bus and go play.

[jimor]

Teams are traveling 150- 200 miles one way for region games already. Langdon to Northern Cass, or Bottineau to Hillsboro or Rugby to Hillsboro, That's just region 2, yes NC is going south next year.

[WalkingStick]

Teams are traveling 150- 200 miles one way for region games already. Langdon to Northern Cass, or Bottineau to Hillsboro or Rugby to Hillsboro, That's just region 2, yes NC is going south next year.

Majority of Region 1 teams had to go to Linton or Ellendale this year. Long trips are the norm so that argument shouldn't matter

South Border in 9-Man had to travel west of Missouri River a lot

[Bisonguy06]

There’s no question that schools are already traveling all over the state in every sport, and that travel costs and class time missed are total non-factors in decision making.

This is an athletics message board, but these are schools first.
Travel costs and missed class time should be considerations, and I’m fine fighting alone on that hill here.

I think we could split the difference.
Regional play in the round of 16; east/west crossover beginning in the round of 8.

Win one game closer to home to weed out some pretenders from the contenders, then let's hit the road for Bowman at Thompson; Ray/PL at Kindred; Oakes at Velva, ect.

If the East is truly stronger, you'll see an all east final four. That's fair.

Final note for now: In this division formerly known as class A football, the state champ came from the west in every year from 1997 to 2013 with Velva, Harvey, Stanley, and Hazen taking turns. The east flipped the script beginning in 2014. https://ndhsaanow.com/champions/football

[packers21]

Teams are traveling 150- 200 miles one way for region games already. Langdon to Northern Cass, or Bottineau to Hillsboro or Rugby to Hillsboro, That's just region 2, yes NC is going south next year.

Langdon didn't have to go NC, NC went to Langdon and had to go to Harvery. The two longest trips in that region and then got switch back to the South.

[WalkingStick]

Teams are traveling 150- 200 miles one way for region games already. Langdon to Northern Cass, or Bottineau to Hillsboro or Rugby to Hillsboro, That's just region 2, yes NC is going south next year.

Langdon didn't have to go NC, NC went to Langdon and had to go to Harvery. The two longest trips in that region and then got switch back to the South.

and now will have to make the trip to Linton, Oakes, Ellendale instead

[jimor]

I guess I should have clarified it. In 2020 langdon went to NC, and yes NC went to Langdon in 2021. Better??
Point is with the distance teams are traveling for a regular season, region or non region opponent, the farther you move in the playoffs, the tougher your opponent should be, regardless of miles traveled.

[WalkingStick]

I guess I should have clarified it. In 2020 langdon went to NC, and yes NC went to Langdon in 2021. Better??
Point is with the distance teams are traveling for a regular season, region or non region opponent, the farther you move in the playoffs, the tougher your opponent should be, regardless of miles traveled.

Maybe the State should move to neutral site games for like Minnesota does for their quarterfinal, semifinal games; keep a home first round game and home site QF but then have the Semis at a neutral site (plenty of quality turf fields out there now).

[bison football73]

There’s no question that schools are already traveling all over the state in every sport, and that travel costs and class time missed are total non-factors in decision making.

This is an athletics message board, but these are schools first.
Travel costs and missed class time should be considerations, and I’m fine fighting alone on that hill here.

I think we could split the difference.
Regional play in the round of 16; east/west crossover beginning in the round of 8.

Win one game closer to home to weed out some pretenders from the contenders, then let's hit the road for Bowman at Thompson; Ray/PL at Kindred; Oakes at Velva, ect.

If the East is truly stronger, you'll see an all east final four. That's fair.

Final note for now: In this division formerly known as class A football, the state champ came from the west in every year from 1997 to 2013 with Velva, Harvey, Stanley, and Hazen taking turns. The east flipped the script beginning in 2014. https://ndhsaanow.com/champions/football

Missed class time isn't a valid point because all of the playoff games are played on Saturdays.