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2013 Playoff Semifinals
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Sat Nov 02, 2013 6:57 pmby Run4Fun2009
Friday, November 8th
W#2 St. Mary's 12 @ E#1 Fargo Shanley 10
E#2 Wahpeton 24 @ W#1 Bishop Ryan 17
Re: 2013 Playoff Semifinals
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Mon Nov 04, 2013 12:35 pmby lovwatchingsports
Run4Fun2009 wrote:Friday, November 8th
W#2 St. Mary's (9-1) @ E#1 Fargo Shanley (9-1) - 6:00pm
E#2 Wahpeton (9-1) @ Bishop Ryan (10-0) - 6:00pm
would like to see the west win but do not think it will happen.
Re: 2013 Playoff Semifinals
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Mon Nov 04, 2013 5:04 pmby magic man
Run4Fun2009 wrote:Friday, November 8th
W#2 St. Mary's (9-1) @ E#1 Fargo Shanley (9-1) - 6:00pm
E#2 Wahpeton (9-1) @ Bishop Ryan (10-0) - 6:00pm
Re: 2013 Playoff Semifinals
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Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:01 pmby sportsinnorthdakota
GO LIONS
Re: 2013 Playoff Semifinals
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Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:31 pmby irisheel
lovwatchingsports wrote:Run4Fun2009 wrote:Friday, November 8th
W#2 St. Mary's (9-1) @ E#1 Fargo Shanley (9-1) - 6:00pm
E#2 Wahpeton (9-1) @ Bishop Ryan (10-0) - 6:00pm
would like to see the west win but do not think it will happen.
Would be different, for a change huh? I'm an eastern guy and would love to see a different team in it.
Can anyone tell me the last time a parochial school WAS NOT in the AA final??
Re: 2013 Playoff Semifinals
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Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:50 pmby Run4Fun2009
irisheel wrote:lovwatchingsports wrote:Run4Fun2009 wrote:Friday, November 8th
W#2 St. Mary's (9-1) @ E#1 Fargo Shanley (9-1) - 6:00pm
E#2 Wahpeton (9-1) @ Bishop Ryan (10-0) - 6:00pm
would like to see the west win but do not think it will happen.
Would be different, for a change huh? I'm an eastern guy and would love to see a different team in it.
Can anyone tell me the last time a parochial school WAS NOT in the AA final??
2008 - Watford City def. Valley City 40-20
Re: 2013 Playoff Semifinals
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Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:50 amby Bluecoach
All 4 of the teams in the semi's should be playing in AAA. It is ridiculous that they play against Class B towns.
Re: 2013 Playoff Semifinals
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Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:59 amby Linebacker48
Are you serious? They may be larger than some of the schools but look at the difference in kids they would be up against in AAA, versus their difference in AA.
Re: 2013 Playoff Semifinals
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Wed Nov 06, 2013 12:15 pmby bronco99
Don't really know that the kids r better its that them four schools can afford a lot more coaches and that does make a difference. If 2a is for class b schools which is in my book rural north Dakota then by no means should they be playin on artificial turf. Class b can't afford that
Re: 2013 Playoff Semifinals
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Wed Nov 06, 2013 1:32 pmby gominers
AA was started for small A/large B schools. That's what three of these schools are. Bishop Ryan actually plays a level higher than their student numbers dictate they have to play. Give them credit. They're the four best teams in AA. If you don't like that, then beat them.
Re: 2013 Playoff Semifinals
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Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:31 pmby Run4Fun2009
Enrollment Numbers
Low End Class AAA
Williston 477
Jamestown 407
Dickinson 401
Devils Lake 290
Class AA Numbers
Wahpeton 195
TMCHS 173
Valley City 161
Fargo Shanley 161
St. Mary's 159
Griggs/Barnes County 142
Grafton 136
Beulah 127
Watford City 127
Central Cass 124
Kindred 122
Dickinson Trinity 114
Stanley-Powers Lake 113
Maple Valley-Enderlin 112
Lisbon 111
Bishop Ryan 88
High End Class A - higher than lowest Class AA
Hillsboro-Central Valley 107
Berthold-Our Redeemer's 105
Des Lacs-Burlington 102
Hazen 100
Southern McLean 100
Williams County 97
Larimore 96
Bottineau 94
Ellendale-Edgeley-Kulm 90
May-Port-CG 89
Langdon 89
Midway-Minto 89
Carrington 88
Notice how Class AA's highest number is NO where near the lowest in Class AAA.
Also to note enrollment numbers will not dictate if you can make the postseason or not...numbers help but its coaching, hard work, dedication and execution that gets teams this far.
Re: 2013 Playoff Semifinals
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Wed Nov 06, 2013 3:01 pmby lovwatchingsports
Run4Fun2009 wrote:Enrollment Numbers
Low End Class AAA
Williston 477
Jamestown 407
Dickinson 401
Devils Lake 290
Class AA Numbers
Wahpeton 195
TMCHS 173
Valley City 161
Fargo Shanley 161
St. Mary's 159
Griggs/Barnes County 142
Grafton 136
Beulah 127
Watford City 127
Central Cass 124
Kindred 122
Dickinson Trinity 114
Stanley-Powers Lake 113
Maple Valley-Enderlin 112
Lisbon 111
Bishop Ryan 88
High End Class A - higher than lowest Class AA
Hillsboro-Central Valley 107
Berthold-Our Redeemer's 105
Des Lacs-Burlington 102
Hazen 100
Southern McLean 100
Williams County 97
Larimore 96
Bottineau 94
Ellendale-Edgeley-Kulm 90
May-Port-CG 89
Langdon 89
Midway-Minto 89
Carrington 88
Notice how Class AA's highest number is NO where near the lowest in Class AAA.
Also to note enrollment numbers will not dictate if you can make the postseason or not...numbers help but its coaching, hard work, dedication and execution that gets teams this far.
Four in the top eight made it, four in the bottom eight made it. #1, #4, #5, #8, in the top #9, #11, #15, #16 in the bottom. Yes I cheer against them because they do have about twice as many coaches and at times they act the way you would hope teams wouldn't act. But this does not mean they should be they should be in another class.
Re: 2013 Playoff Semifinals
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Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:02 pmby bronco99
So why do they compete in class a in other sport. A lot of the same kids and probably a lot of the same coaches
Re: 2013 Playoff Semifinals
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Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:11 pmby Broadway Joe
Shanley 20 St'Marys 12
Ryan 24 Wahpeton 6
Re: 2013 Playoff Semifinals
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Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:28 pmby nick1016
And....in the case of Shanley and St. Mary's (don't know off top of mind of other schools), their schools also have Fall soccer, tennis and cross country teams. so - even thought the enrollment might be a little higher than others, they still have to compete internally for talent. Just another point to consider.
Re: 2013 Playoff Semifinals
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Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:48 pmby Sniper
W#2 St. Mary's (9-1) @ E#1 Fargo Shanley (9-1) - 14-12
E#2 Wahpeton (9-1) @ W#1 Bishop Ryan (10-0) - 28-6
Re: 2013 Playoff Semifinals
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Wed Nov 06, 2013 8:48 pmby In_the_Know
bronco99 wrote:Don't really know that the kids r better its that them four schools can afford a lot more coaches and that does make a difference. If 2a is for class b schools which is in my book rural north Dakota then by no means should they be playin on artificial turf. Class b can't afford that
I disagree with your statement and say these schools belong in the 2a.
You only need four coaches to run 2A football team. When it comes to coaching you can't just run iso right and iso left and hope to make far in the play offs. Eventually the competition gets better and better and you must do something different to trick the opposing defense. I'm willing to bet the losing 2a play off teams last week would still lose in the 1A play offs. Carrington made the play off team in 2a for last 4 years. Dropped to 1a and lost right away in the play offs.
Re: 2013 Playoff Semifinals
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Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:01 pmby bronco99
So if u disagree with my statement and say you only need four coaches to run a 2A team than why does some of these teams have twelve to sixteen coaches
Re: 2013 Playoff Semifinals
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Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:43 pmby d_fense
bronco99 wrote:So if u disagree with my statement and say you only need four coaches to run a 2A team than why does some of these teams have twelve to sixteen coaches
Who has twelve to sixteen coaches?
Re: 2013 Playoff Semifinals
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Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:51 pmby Run4Fun2009
d_fense wrote:bronco99 wrote:So if u disagree with my statement and say you only need four coaches to run a 2A team than why does some of these teams have twelve to sixteen coaches
Who has twelve to sixteen coaches?
I don't see anyone with 12-16 coaches.
Highest number of coaches
Fargo Shanley - 7
Valley City - 7
Wahpeton - 7
Dickinson Trinity - 6
Watford City - 6
Kindred - 6
Average number of coaches when researching this for AA teams is 5 coaches...so its really not that big of a difference in coaches (lowest found was 3).
(NDHSAA website)
Re: 2013 Playoff Semifinals
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Thu Nov 07, 2013 12:31 pmby magic man
d_fense wrote:bronco99 wrote:So if u disagree with my statement and say you only need four coaches to run a 2A team than why does some of these teams have twelve to sixteen coaches
Who has twelve to sixteen coaches?
This is a case where someone just throws out something crazy, just to try and prove a crazy point..
Re: 2013 Playoff Semifinals
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Thu Nov 07, 2013 2:12 pmby bronco99
So all them people on shanleys side with head sets on and clipboards r just what.....? Last I seen them play I ran out of fingers counting them, and I have more than 7 fingers so give me a break.
Re: 2013 Playoff Semifinals
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Thu Nov 07, 2013 2:23 pmby nick1016
bronco99 wrote:So all them people on shanleys side with head sets on and clipboards r just what.....? Last I seen them play I ran out of fingers counting them, and I have more than 7 fingers so give me a break.
Bronco99, just come out and say what your beef is. Are you saying that the parochial schools should not be playing in 2A?
Re: 2013 Playoff Semifinals
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Thu Nov 07, 2013 4:17 pmby Run4Fun2009
bronco99 wrote:So all them people on shanleys side with head sets on and clipboards r just what.....? Last I seen them play I ran out of fingers counting them, and I have more than 7 fingers so give me a break.
Shanley only has 7 coaches for Varsity/JV...they may have two JH coaches that are there during games. But I do know that they only have 7. What is your gripe??
Re: 2013 Playoff Semifinals
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Thu Nov 07, 2013 5:37 pmby sportscrazy
I have no horse in this race being a lowly single A team, but I feel the need to weigh in, COME ON MAN. Its not like these coaches are getting paid squat to be there so don't make it about money. I would be willing to bet that the highest paid high school coach (all classes from West Fargo to TGU) doesn't make enough money coaching if you added all the hours of film study, practice, games, travel, camps, fundraising, ect. ect. ect that any one of us would take the job as a source of income. That's a crap call. Most of them have coaching as a added stipened to their teaching contract in hope of being able to continue teaching because lets face it teachers are severely underpaid. They are crafting the future of our youth?? And as a former Class A player back when that was the highest class in the 80's-90's I can tell you that a lot of those schools get student coaches or trainers to help out. They are not paid. They are doing it to further their education. And they are not there year in and year out. So lets face it the system is flawed, but right now its the best we have. Its no different than the Class A schools with over 100 kids facing Velva at 45. Its not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the dog. The kids play the game. Let them play. I bet they are a lot less concerned with it than us "adults" are. Just sayin'....