lotta bb wrote:In the late 1980's we had approx. 213 Class B basketball districts in North Dakota. Now we are down to about 122 or so. Where are we headed? What does everybody think?
klg_11 wrote:ya at the rate we are going it would be pointless for three class system. Personally If i was in a class B school and was doing well i would want to transfer out. Class B games are fun to watch and the atmosphere is great. But u just get noticed more being from class A.
lotta bb wrote:klg_11 wrote:ya at the rate we are going it would be pointless for three class system. Personally If i was in a class B school and was doing well i would want to transfer out. Class B games are fun to watch and the atmosphere is great. But u just get noticed more being from class A.
It's happening more than you think. And I think it happens in minn. somewhat also.
Another interesting item is just the reverse-some kids slide into the class B school to get more playing time because they probably couldn't make the top eight rotation in the big school
klg_11 wrote:lotta bb wrote:klg_11 wrote:ya at the rate we are going it would be pointless for three class system. Personally If i was in a class B school and was doing well i would want to transfer out. Class B games are fun to watch and the atmosphere is great. But u just get noticed more being from class A.
It's happening more than you think. And I think it happens in minn. somewhat also.
Another interesting item is just the reverse-some kids slide into the class B school to get more playing time because they probably couldn't make the top eight rotation in the big school
ya i have heard of that also. but my cousin was one to go from class B to A couple years ago and it payed off for him.
vballfan06 wrote:You do have to take into consideration though how many schools back then had 40-50 students in the high school and still played alone (without a co-op). For some reason, that never happens anymore. Especially in the eastern part of the state, co-ops seem to be the 'thing to do'. I understand if the school district intends to consolidate, but most of those schools have no intention of doing so. Co-ops are meant to give more kids a chance to play, not add them because this town or that town has a few good athletes and with them you'll end up in the state tournament.
Look at these schools that co-op: It's hard for me to believe they can't still field a team on their own since many schools smaller continue to:
Belfield (90 students)-South Heart (93 student)=183
Hatton (91 students)-Northwood (110)=201
Midway (84)-Minto (76)= 160
Park River (130)-Fordville-Lankin (40)=170 I only included this one because I don't think schools should be allowed to switch back and forth with co-ops, since for awhile it was Midway-FL.
North Border: Pembina-Neche (65)-Walhalla (95)=160
North Star (for volleyball): Bisbee-Egeland (34)-Cando (72)- Munich (48)-Starkweather (35)=189 I find it hard to believe that Munich-Starkweather can't field a team alone...or could it be that they're just tired of Landgon dominating so everyone wants to co-op?
Finley-Sharon (51)-Hope-Page (94)=145...this one could be stretching it a little.
old lineman wrote:I went to a scrimage saturday at Drake and had time to walk the halls and look for old college buddies. Saw the picture of the STATE RUNNER UP photo and thought about the 4 young men that played football and baseball at Mayville in the 80's. The downtown was almost a memory as far as open businesses. And when the boys of Drake were the runners up the place was probably still a hopping place. It was mention that 123 schools are the field of class B basketball. In a few years it could easily be 73. It is easy to see that consolidation and more co-ops are going to have to happen. Some of the small teams will in no way compete with the bigger schools and there is a huge amount of pride in being an average player on a respectable team. Some of the games that I have watched in class b some teams have one or two kids that would play on a Hazen, to beat most of these teams it is that are not of Hazen status they just shut down the one kid and its over. This takes the team sport out completely, and you think if the one or two kids that are ok had someone to play with what could happen? But in those situations they don't have a B squad, can't find help coaching, and have a school with leadership that will not be proactive. I do not think having a 3 class system will help this. A 3 class system wll just delay the shrinking landscape of class b basketball. I don't want anyone to think that I am picking on Drake the State champs in Zeeland have a shrinking landscape too.
ndlionsfan wrote:vballfan06 wrote:You do have to take into consideration though how many schools back then had 40-50 students in the high school and still played alone (without a co-op). For some reason, that never happens anymore. Especially in the eastern part of the state, co-ops seem to be the 'thing to do'. I understand if the school district intends to consolidate, but most of those schools have no intention of doing so. Co-ops are meant to give more kids a chance to play, not add them because this town or that town has a few good athletes and with them you'll end up in the state tournament.
Look at these schools that co-op: It's hard for me to believe they can't still field a team on their own since many schools smaller continue to:
Belfield (90 students)-South Heart (93 student)=183
Hatton (91 students)-Northwood (110)=201
Midway (84)-Minto (76)= 160
Park River (130)-Fordville-Lankin (40)=170 I only included this one because I don't think schools should be allowed to switch back and forth with co-ops, since for awhile it was Midway-FL.
North Border: Pembina-Neche (65)-Walhalla (95)=160
North Star (for volleyball): Bisbee-Egeland (34)-Cando (72)- Munich (48)-Starkweather (35)=189 I find it hard to believe that Munich-Starkweather can't field a team alone...or could it be that they're just tired of Landgon dominating so everyone wants to co-op?
Finley-Sharon (51)-Hope-Page (94)=145...this one could be stretching it a little.
I agree with everything you said....it's exactly what I was thinking, too. I think another big factor in coops is that there are more squads nowdays than 20 some years ago. I believe a lot of the really small schools just had 1 team - varsity. That way you only needed 10 guys out for the team. Now schools want to have 3 squads - C, JV, and Varsity - which means you want around 25 kids out for the team and a lot of schools just don't have that many kids willing to play. The hatton-northwood coop has always puzzled me. They have around 40 kids out for bball between the two schools. Isn't that enough to have two separate teams?? I think that coop is based more on having more success than a numbers issue.
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