nd-ball41 wrote:I know that Weston Leutz was much deserving of the award, but I don't think that they should have left out Sam Larson. They could have at least been co-senior athletes. I think by giving it to just one of them, kinda robbed the other of the award. They compete in totally different types of races, and it is very hard to compare them that way, But Congradulations to the both of them on their fine HS careers, and will be seeing both next year @ NDSU!!
opinionated wrote:Neither one of them owns a state record. Sam missed the overall state record set by Rob Heen in the late 80's by less than a second. I think he would have ran more events but he had already run about 4 miles those two days between all his events. Sam Larson finished his career with 9 or 10 state championships between cross country and track and Leutz finished with 8. As far as doing all those events most good athletes who run shorter distances do qualify in many more events because there are only 4 real distance events in track and field There are 7 short distance races between the 100, 200, 400 2 hurdle events and a couple of relays. Sam dominated almost every distance event in the state for almost 4 complete years. He placed 2nd in the mile and 8th in the 2 mile as a freshman. Leutz was only able to get a 5th in the 200 meter as a freshman. My opinion is to look at what each competitor did for his sport and there will be other Leutz's ( Bismarck has a bunch of really fast guys back next year,) But Sam Larson will probably stand alone in his accomplishments for decades to come. Put it in perspective Sam could have scored a perfect 16 if he had won every distance event in the state since he was a freshman and he scored 9 or 10 ( I am not real sure of 2005). I think they should have at least been Co Senior athletes but no one asked me....
opinionated wrote:Just for some information
Sam could have scored a perfect 16 if head won every 800 meter. every 1600 meter, every 3200 meter and every cross country event since he was a freshman, and he only placed in state 15 times. The only time he did not place was as a freshman in the 800 meter because he did not run it. So he had 9 wins, 3 second places, 1 3rd place, 1 4th place, 1 8th place. That is how dominating he is... As far as number of competitors it is quality not quantity. Sam ran against some of the best in the entire history of North Dakota distance running. Leutz did well, but, he was no Weston Dressler.... I guess time will tell us if the quality of the runners was good or average, we shall see who's times last longer.
Leutz had 9 1st place wins, 2 2nd place wins, 1 3rd place win, and 1 6th place win
If there careers would have been a meet, total points would have been:
Leutz 115
Larson 126
Saucesauer wrote:i feel that larson also wouldnt have been as good at track if there was no such thing as cross country because that is training for track where as leutz attempted to play football so basically larson practiced for track everyday by running upwards of 6 miles in the fall but luetz wasnt just run run run he was also jump leap and hurdel i think it was the right choice and head to head larson may have won but if leutz would have entered every event he qualified in (if it would be legal i think u can only enter like 4 events) the head to head would have been an absolute blowout for leutz
nd-ball41 wrote:Saucesauer wrote:i feel that larson also wouldnt have been as good at track if there was no such thing as cross country because that is training for track where as leutz attempted to play football so basically larson practiced for track everyday by running upwards of 6 miles in the fall but luetz wasnt just run run run he was also jump leap and hurdel i think it was the right choice and head to head larson may have won but if leutz would have entered every event he qualified in (if it would be legal i think u can only enter like 4 events) the head to head would have been an absolute blowout for leutz
well i dont know too many sprinters that go out and just run miles & miles like long distance runners. they r 2 way different running styles, and each had to train their own way for their events.
Saucesauer wrote:i like the debate but you can look at the nubers all you want but it shows leutz was more diversified with his events i like the debate and all ohh ya and i think i could have gotten the 3 most out of shape people in the world and me and qualified in the 400 M relay
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