ndhoopscoach wrote:I have a question. There is a debate right now that boys and girls basketball should flip their start dates, because volleyball goes into the girls basketball season if someone makes it to state. Even if a volleyball team makes it past the first round of regionals, they get one day off before basketball starts. I don't like the idea of a switch in the start dates. Last year's Class B Volleyball State Champion (Kenmare) had a record of 46-3. Are you kidding me? 49 games! That is a little excessive. Basketball is strictly limited to 19 games a year. Maybe instead of switching start dates, they should cut down on the number of games played in Volleyball. Any thoughts?
from a player/school/parent/fan standpoint, how does everyone else feel about it?
Hinsa wrote:I would rather see GBB in the fall again. Right now, GBB is always overshadowed by the boys because the boys are simply bigger, faster, stronger. And fans burn out on 4-5-6 basketball games a week. The burnout is not as severe when it is boys basketball and volleyball in the same season. And when GBB is in the fall, they have the indoor sport spotlight all to themselves. Crowds and interest in GBB is down since the girls went to the winter.
Another consideration is with a scarcity of basketball officials, moving the girls back to the fall would ease the squeeze to find officials.
Volleyball plays a lot of Saturday "tournament" type events and although this would conflict with wrestling a lot, it would ease the conflict between boys basketball and a winter girls sport. Even if volleyball plays in a tournament on Saturday, often the tournament is over by late afternoon and those that want to double up and catch a boys basketball game Saturday night can do so.
If boys and girls basketball both continue in the winter, I believe schools must continue to look at scheduling more doubleheaders where the boys and girls play on the same nights. It draws a bigger crowd and gives the fans at least a chance at a night off once in a while.
More thoughts?
bballfan_05 wrote:Hinsa wrote:I would rather see GBB in the fall again. Right now, GBB is always overshadowed by the boys because the boys are simply bigger, faster, stronger. And fans burn out on 4-5-6 basketball games a week. The burnout is not as severe when it is boys basketball and volleyball in the same season. And when GBB is in the fall, they have the indoor sport spotlight all to themselves. Crowds and interest in GBB is down since the girls went to the winter.
Another consideration is with a scarcity of basketball officials, moving the girls back to the fall would ease the squeeze to find officials.
Volleyball plays a lot of Saturday "tournament" type events and although this would conflict with wrestling a lot, it would ease the conflict between boys basketball and a winter girls sport. Even if volleyball plays in a tournament on Saturday, often the tournament is over by late afternoon and those that want to double up and catch a boys basketball game Saturday night can do so.
If boys and girls basketball both continue in the winter, I believe schools must continue to look at scheduling more doubleheaders where the boys and girls play on the same nights. It draws a bigger crowd and gives the fans at least a chance at a night off once in a while.
More thoughts?
I agree there, I liked the old way better. I may be wrong but didn't they change it because of the states around us so that the border towns could play games with teams from other states?
BB11 wrote:bballfan_05 wrote:Hinsa wrote:I would rather see GBB in the fall again. Right now, GBB is always overshadowed by the boys because the boys are simply bigger, faster, stronger. And fans burn out on 4-5-6 basketball games a week. The burnout is not as severe when it is boys basketball and volleyball in the same season. And when GBB is in the fall, they have the indoor sport spotlight all to themselves. Crowds and interest in GBB is down since the girls went to the winter.
Another consideration is with a scarcity of basketball officials, moving the girls back to the fall would ease the squeeze to find officials.
Volleyball plays a lot of Saturday "tournament" type events and although this would conflict with wrestling a lot, it would ease the conflict between boys basketball and a winter girls sport. Even if volleyball plays in a tournament on Saturday, often the tournament is over by late afternoon and those that want to double up and catch a boys basketball game Saturday night can do so.
If boys and girls basketball both continue in the winter, I believe schools must continue to look at scheduling more doubleheaders where the boys and girls play on the same nights. It draws a bigger crowd and gives the fans at least a chance at a night off once in a while.
More thoughts?
I agree there, I liked the old way better. I may be wrong but didn't they change it because of the states around us so that the border towns could play games with teams from other states?
No - it changed because of the potential lawsuit that might have happened by maybe a person sometime maybe in the future that might have the chance to get recruited by a college to play volleyball maybe. Since the colleges play them in the fall - that's when they like to bring in recruits I guess - and some female in some state sued because she wasn't getting a fair look because she played her volleyball in the winter time when recruitment was basically already over. They don't want to have sports opposite the way colleges do.
Would a lawsuit ever happen in ND because of this - Probably not - herego my sarcasm. But we Have to do what everybody else does. Michigan - coincidentally - is going back to the girls BB in the fall - and they are the state I believe the original lawsuit took place in. They are already receiving threats of lawsuits - but they are still going back to the old way. Which, I think is the way it should be at the HS level. It just makes more sense.
BB11 wrote:bballfan_05 wrote:Hinsa wrote:I would rather see GBB in the fall again. Right now, GBB is always overshadowed by the boys because the boys are simply bigger, faster, stronger. And fans burn out on 4-5-6 basketball games a week. The burnout is not as severe when it is boys basketball and volleyball in the same season. And when GBB is in the fall, they have the indoor sport spotlight all to themselves. Crowds and interest in GBB is down since the girls went to the winter.
Another consideration is with a scarcity of basketball officials, moving the girls back to the fall would ease the squeeze to find officials.
Volleyball plays a lot of Saturday "tournament" type events and although this would conflict with wrestling a lot, it would ease the conflict between boys basketball and a winter girls sport. Even if volleyball plays in a tournament on Saturday, often the tournament is over by late afternoon and those that want to double up and catch a boys basketball game Saturday night can do so.
If boys and girls basketball both continue in the winter, I believe schools must continue to look at scheduling more doubleheaders where the boys and girls play on the same nights. It draws a bigger crowd and gives the fans at least a chance at a night off once in a while.
More thoughts?
I agree there, I liked the old way better. I may be wrong but didn't they change it because of the states around us so that the border towns could play games with teams from other states?
No - it changed because of the potential lawsuit that might have happened by maybe a person sometime maybe in the future that might have the chance to get recruited by a college to play volleyball maybe. Since the colleges play them in the fall - that's when they like to bring in recruits I guess - and some female in some state sued because she wasn't getting a fair look because she played her volleyball in the winter time when recruitment was basically already over. They don't want to have sports opposite the way colleges do.
Would a lawsuit ever happen in ND because of this - Probably not - herego my sarcasm. But we Have to do what everybody else does. Michigan - coincidentally - is going back to the girls BB in the fall - and they are the state I believe the original lawsuit took place in. They are already receiving threats of lawsuits - but they are still going back to the old way. Which, I think is the way it should be at the HS level. It just makes more sense.
cubsfan wrote:BB11 wrote:bballfan_05 wrote:Hinsa wrote:I would rather see GBB in the fall again. Right now, GBB is always overshadowed by the boys because the boys are simply bigger, faster, stronger. And fans burn out on 4-5-6 basketball games a week. The burnout is not as severe when it is boys basketball and volleyball in the same season. And when GBB is in the fall, they have the indoor sport spotlight all to themselves. Crowds and interest in GBB is down since the girls went to the winter.
Another consideration is with a scarcity of basketball officials, moving the girls back to the fall would ease the squeeze to find officials.
Volleyball plays a lot of Saturday "tournament" type events and although this would conflict with wrestling a lot, it would ease the conflict between boys basketball and a winter girls sport. Even if volleyball plays in a tournament on Saturday, often the tournament is over by late afternoon and those that want to double up and catch a boys basketball game Saturday night can do so.
If boys and girls basketball both continue in the winter, I believe schools must continue to look at scheduling more doubleheaders where the boys and girls play on the same nights. It draws a bigger crowd and gives the fans at least a chance at a night off once in a while.
More thoughts?
I agree there, I liked the old way better. I may be wrong but didn't they change it because of the states around us so that the border towns could play games with teams from other states?
No - it changed because of the potential lawsuit that might have happened by maybe a person sometime maybe in the future that might have the chance to get recruited by a college to play volleyball maybe. Since the colleges play them in the fall - that's when they like to bring in recruits I guess - and some female in some state sued because she wasn't getting a fair look because she played her volleyball in the winter time when recruitment was basically already over. They don't want to have sports opposite the way colleges do.
Would a lawsuit ever happen in ND because of this - Probably not - herego my sarcasm. But we Have to do what everybody else does. Michigan - coincidentally - is going back to the girls BB in the fall - and they are the state I believe the original lawsuit took place in. They are already receiving threats of lawsuits - but they are still going back to the old way. Which, I think is the way it should be at the HS level. It just makes more sense.
Michigan has never changed. They are a non-profit organization which allows them to do what they want and not be afraid of a lawsuit.
ndhoopscoach wrote:First of all, you can't really extend the number of football games played. It is a very physical sport that requires time to recover. That is why you only play one football game a week. That is also why it is necessary to give time off to those football teams to recover between football and basketball. Volleyball is the least physically demanding sport. They can play the same number of games if they want, just shorten the time frame to get the games in. Besides the Boys' State Class B tournament is the biggest draw and money maker for the NDHSAA. They like to wrap up the sports season with that as the big show. They do not really want to change that setting. Shorten the volleyball season is the only way to go!
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