north_border_eagles2106 wrote:balla45 wrote:north_border_eagles2106 wrote:baseball wrote:Maybe 90% ofthe board disagrees with me, but 90% of the country agrees with me that Hansbrough gets too much credit for UNC's success. I have never once came on and "repeated" what i've heard on ESPN, although I have said things that eventually were said on there because its stuff thats not that hard to understand.
I'm not going to say i know everything there is to know about college basketball, but i will say....even if you disagree...im not clueless about the game. I got ripped for saying I would like to see Syracuse play UNC because at that time I liked the way they were playing and felt they could beat them if not give them a run. 2 weeks later they were in the top 10 after not being ranked when i made the statement. Do you just look at UAB's record and see C-USA and automatically write them off as terrible? 9 losses sure....2 to Memphis, Oklahoma, Louisville, and Butler and a win at Arizona. Look at the record all you want but never count out Robert Vaden and a Mike Davis coached team. Just like now, Mike Anderson is getting named a great coach at MIssouri for the style of play that brigns success...he did the same thing at UAB and got no credit.
Let me ask you a serious question, would you put Hansbrough as a first team AA?? I must be a terrible hater since I wouldnt...are you goign to put him above Griffin, Blair, Thabeet, Harangody? I'm not taking anything away from your opinion, i dont konw why you think just because i disagree means i tihnk you cant give your opinion?? people i respect the most are people who are so passionate about their opinions and stick by them no matter how many people disagree with them...and ill give you credit for doing that.
22 points and 8 boards a game for a team thats 25-3 that hasn't lost a game by more then 10 is AA material. Hansbrough doesn't need to make a case to make the AA team, those other players need to make a case to be argued against him. The two big men of the AA team are Hansbrough and Griffin. Harangody has better numbers but Notre Dame is garbage and they got owned by Hansbrough and UNC. I do think Hansbrough is better than those guys. This is starting to sound like last year when people said Beasley should've won cause his numbers were better and he'll be a better pro. How good the team is comes into affect when selecting all-americans and player of the year candidates. The way you word your posts you come off as you're smarter then everyone and since you are a stat junkie we have to bow down to you. That's why most posts that people quote you and then you quote them back are so hostile because of the way you word things and you're very, very, controversial opinion about EVERYTHING.
Baseball isn't pretentious. He doesn't intend to sound smarter than people, and his posts do not come across that way. He is firm in his opinions. That is how any good debater is.
I will give Hansbrough credit. He produces. However, you just said Hansbrough is better than Blake Griffin. That statement alone discredits 90% of the things you have said in this topic.
Beasley SHOULD have won last year, he was the best, most dominant player, in college basketball. Hansbrough is a people person, built up by the media. It is ridiculous that he gets credit for working so hard. EVERYONE WORKS HARD. I will give him credit for his 22 and 8, because those are FACTS that can't be taken away.
How good a player's team is should not affect All-American teams. If the best player in the country plays for an 11-11 team, he SHOULD be the National Player Of The Year. Hanbrough has never been the BEST player in the country. I can argue that he isn't top 5, but the consensus is that he is top 5. He has never been the best player in college. That is why he should have never been NPOTY. My problem with team success is simply this: If Mike Beasley played for UNC, should he have been NPOTY?
Realistically, Hansbrough is overblown by the media. Not coaches or scouts, but the media. People on this website act as if they know him and his personality. I will not forget the people that said he deserves it because he isn't cocky and Beasley is. We don't know these people.
Did you ever think that maybe a very large reason why UNC is one of the best teams in the country is because of Hansbroughs affect on the game. Beasley should not have won POY last year. He did nothing to make his players better. He went to K-State because he knew he'd shine and it would increase his draft stock. The best player in the country wouldn't play for an 11-11 team because if he is without a shadow of a doubt the best player in the country, his team isn't going to be 11-11. I don't think Hansbrough should or will win national player of the year because Griffin is too incredibly good.
I NEVER once said hansbrough is better than blake griffin so stop putting words in my mouth, wow. Show me exactly where i said "Tyler Hansbrough is better than Blake Griffin". Just because you can't think of more points to say doesn't mean you start making them up any "great debater" should know that. Who should've won in 2006 when JJ Redick won it since I'm sure you thought he was "overblown" by the media and not deserving of it.
The Griffin vs. Hansbrough debate for NPOTY is much like last years but Griffin should win cause he is leading his team to a possible national championship. When Kansas played Oklahoma when Griffin wasn't playing Cole Aldrich had like 20 and 20, which should NEVER happen. Had Griffin played that game Aldrich wouldnt've had 10 and KU would've lost by 10+. He makes his team/teammates better and has amazing numbers.
One last thing balla45, I think Baseball is a big boy and can fight his own battles. He doesn't need you to defend him. He sticks to his guns as much as me, the schwab, or bballfan1307.
I didn't put words in your mouth. I never used your name actually.
I have to go to practice, but I will argue the Reddick one, however, I think he deserved it. His team was good, he shot amazing, no one else did a lot better than him.
One last thing, I made this topic, so I feel that I can post in it.
