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Re: Stats question

PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 11:53 pm
by Run4Fun2009
Flip wrote:A1 shoots a field goal with 1 second on the shot clock. Shot clock expires as the ball is in the air. Shot is an air ball. Does A1 get a missed FGA and a TO?


My take would be:
A1 gets the FGA and the team receives the TO (since if no shot goes up its a Team Turnover for Shot Clock violation...'in my book')

Those are my thoughts...haven't had that scenario occur so never been in that position to figure out which answer is best.

Re: Stats question

PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 9:08 pm
by Flip
Run4Fun2009 wrote:My take would be:
A1 gets the FGA and the team receives the TO (since if no shot goes up its a Team Turnover for Shot Clock violation...'in my book')

I've just been giving a missed FG and team rebound for the defense. I don't have the heart to give an individual TO on top of the missed FG.

Those are my thoughts...haven't had that scenario occur so never been in that position to figure out which answer is best.

Really? Shot clock is running down and you're forced to take a bad shot that doesn't hit the rim, maybe it gets blocked...it's happened at least 3 times to us this season.

Re: Stats question

PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 9:14 pm
by scc
If the ball missed the rim, it should be a team turnover, provided the ball didn't go out of bounds before the shot clock expired.

Re: Stats question

PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 11:08 pm
by Run4Fun2009
Flip wrote:
Run4Fun2009 wrote:My take would be:
A1 gets the FGA and the team receives the TO (since if no shot goes up its a Team Turnover for Shot Clock violation...'in my book')

I've just been giving a missed FG and team rebound for the defense. I don't have the heart to give an individual TO on top of the missed FG.

Those are my thoughts...haven't had that scenario occur so never been in that position to figure out which answer is best.

Really? Shot clock is running down and you're forced to take a bad shot that doesn't hit the rim, maybe it gets blocked...it's happened at least 3 times to us this season.


That's why I said a TEAM turnover...the whole possession doesn't hang on that one person (unless that one person held the ball the hold time...)

Nope...we haven't had a shot clock violation in either BBB or GBB...always seem to find the rim with our shots or put it up long before the Shot Clock gets under 5!

Re: Stats question

PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 11:55 pm
by Flip
Run4Fun2009 wrote:That's why I said a TEAM turnover...the whole possession doesn't hang on that one person (unless that one person held the ball the hold time...)

that was more of my own ramblings than anything to do with your quote.

I've never heard of a team turnover, but it makes sense to me.

Re: Stats question

PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 11:09 am
by Baller
Depends on who is taking stats. Some teams don't give an individual player a TO for a shot clock violation. Just a team TO....

Re: Stats question

PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 12:36 pm
by Run4Fun2009
Baller wrote:Depends on who is taking stats. Some teams don't give an individual player a TO for a shot clock violation. Just a team TO....


IMO, a shot clock violation is never an individual TO because the team should be involved in the play the whole possession

Re: Stats question

PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 12:44 pm
by Baller
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/Stats_Man ... 2017EZ.pdf

Interesting stuff. This says that if it is a desperation shot at the end of the shot clock, its not even a shot attempt.

Re: Stats question

PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:32 pm
by Flip
Baller wrote:http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/Stats_Manuals/Basketball/2017EZ.pdf

Interesting stuff. This says that if it is a desperation shot at the end of the shot clock, its not even a shot attempt.

Good info. Thanks for sharing.