2019-2020 Football Plan

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2019-2020 Football Plan

Postby Mandan » Mon Jan 29, 2018 1:48 pm

The minutes from the Jan 18 NDHSAA meeting notes the current path for the next football plan
https://ndhsaa.com/files/Board_Minutes/ ... inutes.pdf

AAA - 16 teams
AA - 12 teams
A - 32 teams
9-men - The rest, with the 6-man option available too.

And a direct quote from the minutes that "Shanley has indicated they will opt up to
the AAA division." Devil's Lake would be team 16 based on the current plan's enrollment numbers, and they'll go to AA in a heartbeat and let Shanley move up.

Makes me wonder if St Mary's would opt up too if Shanley does.

A larger AAA and AA means A few of the bigger A teams will get pulled up into AA, which also means the largest 9 man schools like Shiloh should get pulled into A and not be in a position to move down even if someone opts up.

12 teams in AA I assume would mean you'd have an East and West, so that should help the travel concerns of the current statewide AA setup. With 6 teams in each region, they'd have 5 conference games and then still have 4 non-conference games to schedule, but they will have more control over who they agree to play and how far they go.
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Re: 2019-2020 Football Plan

Postby Mailman_25 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 3:38 pm

A larger AAA and AA means A few of the bigger A teams will get pulled up into AA, which also means the largest 9 man schools like Shiloh should get pulled into A and not be in a position to move down even if someone opts up.


Thanks for posting. Interesting stuff.

I wouldn't be so sure on Shiloh going 11-man just yet. If you crunch the numbers, they are third from the bottom of the A Division on the 2019/2020 list. You can bet Dickinson Trinity and Minot Ryan opt up. It would only take one more to opt up. Maple Valley-Enderlin is another 11 man school that is on the 9-man list that could opt up.

Also, about time on Shanley opting back up. Good for them. I don't think St. Mary's will, but the pressure is on them now.
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Re: 2019-2020 Football Plan

Postby ndlionsfan » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:12 pm

If Shanley and St. Marys opt up, Jamestown and DL would go down without question. My only problem with AA is that will leave New Town, HCV, and Central Dakota or Kindred forced to go AA. I can see HCV competing, but definitely not New Town as they can't compete in A and were 9man just a few years ago and couldn't compete much there either. Kindred would be the best pick to move up as I believe having a single school has better chance of success than a coop of 5 different schools. I don't see any teams that would be in A wanting to opt up to AA so those schools would be stuck. But I also see the logic in moving to 12 from 10.

I would guess DT and BR opt up, but I would hope Shiloh would stay in A or even opt up if they were in 9man. Just a better fit and you would have some nice rivalries with the other two. There will be quite a bit of movement up and down for teams in the A/9man ranks.
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Re: 2019-2020 Football Plan

Postby Mandan » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:24 pm

Completely missed that the numbers are out there too. Multiple documents are available in https://ndhsaa.com/athletics/football
regarding the new plan.

Trinity dropping from 94 to 62 boys seems like a steep drop to me. Not sure what is going on there. But I agree, they and Ryan will want to play 11 man.

Looks like Beulah and Hillsboro-CV most likely back to AA after two years in A.
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Re: 2019-2020 Football Plan

Postby Flip » Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:26 pm

From 56 11 man teams to 60. ND isn't a state that should be adding 11 man teams.
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Re: 2019-2020 Football Plan

Postby magic man » Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:10 pm

ndlionsfan wrote:If Shanley and St. Marys opt up, Jamestown and DL would go down without question. My only problem with AA is that will leave New Town, HCV, and Central Dakota or Kindred forced to go AA.
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What would be your problem with those teams back in AA?

By the notes, wasn't HCV looking to add students from another school as well?
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Re: 2019-2020 Football Plan

Postby ndlionsfan » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:25 am

magic man wrote:
ndlionsfan wrote:If Shanley and St. Marys opt up, Jamestown and DL would go down without question. My only problem with AA is that will leave New Town, HCV, and Central Dakota or Kindred forced to go AA.
.

What would be your problem with those teams back in AA?

By the notes, wasn't HCV looking to add students from another school as well?


HCV and Kindred will probably compete just fine. New Town and Central Dakota have no chance.
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Re: 2019-2020 Football Plan

Postby Flip » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:56 am

magic man wrote:What would be your problem with those teams back in AA?

By the notes, wasn't HCV looking to add students from another school as well?

NCW HS in Halstad (MN) is closing it's doors after the 17-18 school year. Most of those kids will go to Ada-Borup, but some will go to Hillsboro.

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Re: 2019-2020 Football Plan

Postby Mailman_25 » Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:22 am

Hillsboro and Kindred will do just fine in AA. No Shanley or Jamestown. Potentially no St. Mary's. Wahpeton is up and down. They can beat Central Cass and Grafton more times than not. Turtle Mtn can suprise some years. Devils Lake has the ability to be tough. Watford and Beulah are strong teams. New Town and Central Dakota are wins most years. So basically, Hillsboro and Kindred will step in and be playoff contenders almost every year.
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Re: 2019-2020 Football Plan

Postby magic man » Wed Feb 07, 2018 7:03 am

Okay, I was wondering the thought behind that, thanks for clarifying.

I think that Central Dakota will end up dropping one of those co-ops, so that they can stay in 1A.

They should be a 1A team. HCV & Kindred should be in 2A.

It's tough for the NDHSAA to come up with a policy that puts these schools in their respective classes, but it would seem that just looking solely at boys class size needs to be updated a bit.

Other fall sports factoring into the calculations?

Not sure..

ndlionsfan wrote:
magic man wrote:
ndlionsfan wrote:If Shanley and St. Marys opt up, Jamestown and DL would go down without question. My only problem with AA is that will leave New Town, HCV, and Central Dakota or Kindred forced to go AA.
.

What would be your problem with those teams back in AA?

By the notes, wasn't HCV looking to add students from another school as well?


HCV and Kindred will probably compete just fine. New Town and Central Dakota have no chance.
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